question become have you balanced the budget or not? the way they balanthey cut tril trillions and dollars. they cut all of the health care subsidies in the obama care, 30 million people not getting insurance, cut another $750 billion-ish from medicaid, cut a variety of smalling programs in addition. they cut a number of low-income supports. there is a -- you can make an argument about the importance of getting a budget to balance, although i don't think it is particularly important and certainly not within the next ten years. you cannot argue this is good for the poor. all of the cuts come from programs that help the poor. >> also, ezra, it raises tax, doesn't it? in order for it to budget, if they're going to deliver two tax codes at 25% and 10%, then some people earning below, say, $200,000, are going to end up paying a lot more tax. >> yes. this is a big secret in the budget. so this tax reform plan that would bring, he hopes, all the tax codes down to two brackets. 10% and 20%. or 10% and 15%. in order to do that -- >> sorry, 10% a